Cut content may not be "canon", but thats on bethesda, it still has HEAVY implication for lore as it was what was intended, just not delivered. •Neither side can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion without Unity, which the Stormcloak's cause will throw under the bus with their Independence Next is Morrowind though they are weakened from the eruption and Argonian invasion substantially. In Skyrim, we see it as a mere pissant mining village, even compared to other settlements in Skyrim, meaning as of the 4th era Karthwasten isn't nearly as big as it was. Anyone have any idea? 6) Tullius does not have the entire Imperial legion at his back, so with the Dragonborn in addition to a strong Skyrim the war for Skyrims independence could be over quickly. AinethachAtarBelchimacEnmonFjotraLash gra-DushnikhMenaRagnar Hold (An independent Skyrim) could learn a great deal from enhanced studies in Blackreach. There is a miscellaneous quest to determine who has control of the mine. The Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine. Sublocations Dragons. It is very possible, especially since OUR Dragonborn gains the ability to "control" Dragons. Skyrim would be alone with a battered military and divided political environment. You may now register with your Facebook or Steam account! However, the best argument is indeed how strong the Dragonborn is. The Empire can decide to relocate one of these legions from Cyrodiil to retake Skyrim to prevent the Aldmeri from gaining a jumping-off point to the north and for all we know this may very well be their intention in any event of Stormcloak victory. This just refers back to my previous point about the Dragonborn not being a significant enough asset to defeat an Aldmeri invasion. They say they "spilled Nord blood", the very people they swear to protect. If Redoran attacks the Dominion, the Dominion will likely interpret that as an attack from the rest of Morrowind. Remember Tullius only has a token force out of a weakened legion. However, searching for love can be hard in a world. The UESPWiki – Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995 < Skyrim: Places: Towns. Karthwasten is supposed to be a bustling mining town with two actively worked mines, yet only has a couple of buildings and too many NPCs to match. Dismiss Notice; Spoiler Your decisions during "Season Unending" Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by Chadonraz, Sep 28, 2013. /thread. What part of losIng resorces, men, allies, and land, makes all of you morons think that an independent skyrim would be better? Die original-Mod wird benötigt ! Dragons are an uncounterable threat to even the Summerset Isles. If military forces from Hammerfell move to reinforce Skyrim, southern and eastern coastal Hammerfell becomes more viable for Aldmeri footholds. Alone and weakened either procince would still be a tough victory for the Thalmor, but United the three provinces could not only defeat the Thalmor but drive them back to the Summerset Isles. Directly southeast of Karthwasten near where a. Loading... Unsubscribe from GamingSuperGuy? Mod name Notes; Karthwasten: Permissions and credits Author's instructions. This is why the war is not asymmetrical and the Stormcloaks can win. During a second run through as a redguard I had reached the "Season Unending" quest when I noticed there was a demand by the imperials for the stormcloaks to make compensation for a massacre at Karthwasten. •There is no correct side in war, but the outcome for a hope of defeating the Aldmeri Dominion is that the Empire wins the civil war and keeps their access to borders and land within Skyrim And that there are now many Dragons to "control" that can only be TRUELY killed by another Dragon/Dragonborn, that either reforming the Empire by siding with them might be well possible, under yet another Dragonborn. Diese … It had come to my attention that in my absence, there was a massacre at Karthwasten. (edited by administrators) Skyrim Civil War Imperial Legion (Skyrim) Aldmeri Dominion (Skyrim) Karthwasten (Skyrim) 3. KarthwastenExterior01KarthwastenExterior02KarthwastenExterior03KarthwastenExterior04KarthwastenExteriorEdge. Maybe you could add a few ruins, graves and/or a monument because Karthwasten was once probably a larger trading town, before the Stormclock Karthwasten Massacre (On the quest Season Unending, the Imperials mention they want compensation from the Stormcloaks for the massacre in Karthwasten. Giving it to them pleases the Imperials, denying it pleases the Stormcloaks. Karthwasten's bulidings now do not longer look as the farmhouses as you find them at every edge in skyrim: Now they look like shabby miner hut's at the back of beyond like it should be, sordided by the terrories of the civil war and the attacks of the forsworns. Plus it's a known lore town that's been here for at least 200 years. Neither province would have any interest in a defence agreement with the other since both provinces are severely weak. Joined: Jan 21, 2013 Messages: 1,103 Likes Received: 504 … From a historical perspective, assassinations that have not ended the dynasty itself have never made a significant impact. 86. On the quest Season Unending, the Imperials mention they want compensation from the Stormcloaks for the massacre in Karthwasten. This serves as the new source for trade between Skyrim and it's allies since the East Empire Company would be gone. This has nothing to do with the ability for an independent Skyrim to defend or prevent an Aldmeri invasion but the point is moot regardless. Would Ulfric demand anything? As I said previously, the Empire is not using the elite of it's forces in the Civil War. When has House Telvanni ever been interested in the affairs or relations of other provinces? At -1, refusing compensation yet accepting Winterhold will still result in a -1 offset in favor of the Stormcloaks, while an even score refusal of Karthwasten will result in Winterhold being demanded (in addition, Tullius switches to the -1 dialogue where he distrusts the Dragonborn's neutrality). Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Just goes to show that the Stormcloak cause is hypocritical. Even in the context of the game itself and not just lore, what is ridiculous is to assume that the Dragonborn would be powerful enough to completely nullify any handicap against Skyrim in the face of an all-out Dominion invasion. The Dragonborn can then kill him along with his entire crew then report back to Ainethach to get another reward. I don't argue that the Dragonborn would serve as an important military asset but I find it fundamentally unlikely that the Dragonborn's limited control over some Dragons would be enough to compensate for the severe lack of military power from an independent Skyrim. Elder Scrolls is a FANDOM Games Community. Skyrim:Karthwasten - The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages (UESP . And you were accusing the Stormcloaks of doing such a thing as well, when there's solid proof that your army was the one that killed many, many people there! First part of a lets play series with my khajiit Scorpio. Somehow utilizing dwarves machinery would give them another distinct advantage. Remember Tullius only has a token force out of a weakened legion. So this place needed a bit of an expansion to flesh it out and make it seem more like the "Karthwasten Hall" of old, in as much as Skyrim will allow for that. The Dragonborn is ridiculously OP and that gives Skyrim a great deal more power. Redoran may well be able to provide military support to Skyrim without needing to interact with the other great houses for approval but it wouldn't make political sense. Scorpio is a curious adventurer and prefers a bow or a dagger. So Skyrim would need to form alliance with the nations who oppose the Empire as well. It's not realistic. Celtic Music in Skyrim by SilentRider ... Karthwasten adds these buildings to vanilla Karthwasten:-Karthworthsee Home Player's home (Kitchen, dining room, children's and master bedroom, exterior forge, enchanting and alchemy room, exterior planters and woodchopping block) Hearthfire's multi adoption mod compatible -Karthwasten's Services General store and Inn The town now has: … Karthwasten has several houses that contain silver ingots and ore and two silver mines. Reskin karthwasten using the custom vanilla meshes, and best of all its compatible with any reskin mod that changes village texture. Anyone have any idea? For centuries, Karthwasten would prove itself time and again as an important fortified town against the original Nedic tribes of Hammerfell, the Rourken Dwemer, and eventually the warrior wave of the Yokudans. Assuming this isn't the Bethesda Retcon Brigade at work, what could have happened to Karthwasten to reduce it to a settlement smaller than Shor's Stone? 1) they could learn a great deal from enhanced studies in Blackreach. Town: Karthwasten (view on map) Respawn Time: 10 days: Console Location Code(s) KarthwastenExterior01, KarthwastenExterior02, KarthwastenExterior03, KarthwastenExterior04, KarthwastenExteriorEdge : Region; The Reach: Location; East of Shrine to … The Dragonborn is ridiculously OP and that gives Skyrim a great deal more power. Karthwasten Karthwasten is a town in western Skyrim, near the borders of High Rock and Hammerfell. Of course, the Dragonborn would help significantly but its unrealistic to assert that the Dragonborn could almost single-handedly destroy a Dominion invasion against a weakened Skyrim. That's Skyrim, Morrowind, and Hammerfell. Hammerfell naturally as the first. Chadonraz Well-Known Member. Next is Morrowind though they are weakened from the eruption and Argonian invasion substantially. Would either of them have to pay compensation for a massacre? I… Continued He does so by demanding compensation for the Karthwasten Massacre. Skyrim:Karthwasten. I also made the point previously that the Empire can decide to dedicate a strong military offensive against Skyrim to secure it against Aldmeri invasion using it's dedicated legions - those seen during the Great War that used better armour, weapons, were mostly mounted, and led by an extensive backbone of skilled officers. 2) Dragons. For The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "about Season Unending: does it SHOW that Ulfric has compensated for Karthwasten? Skyrim Codes for Items in Skyrim, Dawnguard, Hearthfire and Dragonbor ; In Skyrim, you can marry anyone of any gender or race.If you're a male Nord, you could marry a male Orc if you wish! They also defeated the Thalmor after the empire cut ties with them and Hammerfell beat them out of their lands. Additionally, the houses are desperately building a defence against the constant threat of a second Accession War. Karthwasten has several houses that contain silver ingots and ore and two silver mines. Both provinces are too weak to form a sustainable mutual defence after Hammerfell is left alone and still in a cold war recovering from the previous conflict and Skyrim is recovering from a civil war. If all of the Silver-Blood mercenariesare killed or persuaded to leave, the reward is a leveled amount of gold. Quests Skyrim | The Slaugther of.. Karthwasten GamingSuperGuy. What this mod offers is a general store trader, an inn, and a couple new buildings and models that might make the town of Karthwasten a more noticeable miner's town, with a burned-down house to note that a massacre had taken place in the village, as evident in Seasons Unending dialogue. Also if we want to start delving into the more creative strategies for Skyrim, Community content is available under. For the thousands of years the Dwemer have been missing, military forces have completely failed or neglected to implement Dwemer technology into their arsenals despite having access to extensive Dwemer ruins. Type For other uses, see Karthwasten Hall. Tullius does not have the entire Imperial legion at his back, so with the Dragonborn in addition to a strong Skyrim the war for Skyrims[sic] independence could be over quickly. Plus any Telvanni left are no joke and would prove a very real threat to Thalmor mages. Ulfric's already killed Nords who didn't side with him in Markarth, and his demands to Balgruuf are further proof of his extremism & hypocrisy, so there's no doubt the Stormcloaks were responsible for the Karthwasten massacre. Phase 5: (optional) This phase will only appear if the 'balance' is uneven and one side is displeased. Seal the deal. The town is run by Ainethach and is home to miners who work the two adjacent mines: Fenn's Gulch Mine and Sanuarach Mine. Same could be said about Skyrim itself, if siding with the stormcloaks, the Dragonborn could very well unite skyrim under their banner, leading to potential new Empire based in skyrim. But the Empire has done nothing good for them since they abandoned Morrowind. There's a Tanning Rack on the porch. The Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine, Pocket Guide to the Empire, First Edition: Skyrim, https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Karthwasten_(Skyrim)?oldid=3122644. Keep in mind, the empire was founded, by a dragon born. House Redoran is also badass. Register now to participate using the 'Sign Up' button on the right. 3) If the Dragonborn has aided Solstheim and House Redoran to a high extent then they would be more than likely to ally themselves with Skyrim. High Rock and Cyrodiil would be the only remnants of the Empire, but at this point they serve as no threat to Skyrim and it's allies. If the Dragonborn has aided Solstheim and House Redoran to a high extent then they would be more than likely to ally themselves with Skyrim. For every race except orc, you must first gain the trust of Orcs in order to enter any of the Orc Strongholds in Skyrim. This section explains the source of the numbers and options listed in the tables in the previous two sections. Again, no defence partners. Elder Scrolls is a FANDOM Games Community. The great houses would despise such a unilateral action on the part of House Redoran. Northeast of MarkarthWest of Rebel's Cairn If the Dark Brotherhood was successful regardless of who assassinated the Emperor himself then the Empire would be even more weakened and unlikely to sustain a war with Skyrim. •Cut content isn't lore, cut content didn't happen, cut content isn't a valid argument It is fair to assume Mede II had an heir and the Empire is therefore militaristically stable for having lost its leader and able to continue any military operations it was conducting or planning. Stormcloaks pay compensation for the massacre at Karthwasten +1 : Dawnstar and The Pale are given to the Imperials +1 : Winterhold and its hold are given to the Imperials +1 : Scoring System Details . If this type of force were used against the Stormcloaks, there would be no contest. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. If the Dragonborn has defeated Alduin and Miraak then he could in some way command some of the dragons if not many dragons. Sanuarach MineFenn's Gulch MineKarthwasten Miner's Barracks ". Given that Skyrim would be virtually defenceless against a Dominion invasion, it would allow the Dominion an extreme geostrategic advantage over the Empire if it had jumping-off points to its immediate north and south. Earlier when Elenwen mocked Ulfric, she insinuated that the Imperials were the ones burning Stormcloak farms and killing Stormcloak sons. But anyway, with just what you said, you did favor the Stormcloaks at the end. We know for sure that it was attacked by the Forsworn and if you favor the imperials in the negotiations the Stormcloaks will demand tribute from the imperials. YOUR men killed people that YOU were supposed to be protecting! Requirements Nexus requirements. 1. There is a miscellaneous quest to determine who has control of the mine. The Dragonborn visits here in order to start the quest "The Heart of Dibella." Location Karthwasten is a small town in The Reach along the banks of the Karth River. Any commitment of forces to another province would weaken their defence. Phase 4: Imperials want compensation for a battle at Karthwasten. Hammerfell naturally as the first. But the Empire has done nothing good for them since they abandoned Morrowind. The Reach 5) If the Dark Brotherhood was successful regardless of who assassinated the Emperor himself then the Empire would be even more weakened and unlikely to sustain a war with Skyrim. How so? This section contains bugs related to Karthwasten (Skyrim). Dubbed Karthwasten, after the river Karth that it lays abreast to, the settlement grew as a flood of nordic colonists intermingled with the original proto-Breton farmers. Before adding a bug to this list, consider the following: *Disclosure: Some of the links above are affiliate links, meaning, at no additional cost to you, Fandom will earn a commission if you click through and make a purchase. The Dragonborn visits here in order to start the quest "The Heart of Dibella." Karthwasten Hall is a farmhouse in Karthwasten, next to Enmon's House. On the quest Season Unending, the Imperials mention they want compensation from the Stormcloaks for the massacre in Karthwasten. Skyrim would lose its trading partners and would fall easily. •The Stormcloak's cause is just While it may not be a garaunted checkmate, a Dragonborn certainly is more than the Aldmeri Dominion have. If the Dragonborn is harbinger of the Companions and wields Wuuthrad that will also put fire into the hearts of the Nords unifying them even more. Especially after foiling the Hlaalu assassination plot and re-opening the Ebony mine. There are three buildings in the town: Karthwasten Hall, Enmon's House and the Miner's barracks. Ainethach Enmon, miner Mena, his wife Belchimac, miner Lash gra … If both members of a defence agreement are weak, then an opposing force has a better opportunity to attack whatever front is left weakest from the redistribution of military assets. They are notoriously nationalistic and xenophobic and would never agree to commit forces to an offensive war even at the vote of the other great houses. Assuming I was a Legionnaire and took over all Stormcloak territories EXCEPT Windhelm, what would Ulfric/Tullius demand then? The Empire has been able to run to the heir-apparent for mostly symbolic leadership. 4) If the Dragonborn is harbinger of the Companions and wields Wuuthrad that will also put fire into the hearts of the Nords unifying them even more. Ainethach lives here. High Rock and Cyrodiil would be the only remnants of the Empire, but at this point they serve as no threat to Skyrim and it's allies. Like you said, Morrowind is too militarily weak and to become involved in the war climate at the moment would be a detrimental interposition since the Dominion has made no direct acts of aggression against Morrowind. So if you left with Ralof, that would have been a +1 to the Stormcloaks to begin with and would explain why the extra at the end to ask for compensation at Karthwasten which would have ended with a 0 score. Let's say Skyrim defeats the empire. Everyone hates the Aldmeri Dominion that is not a part of them. You are not allowed to use any files from this translation for other projects! Suffice to say, if both sides have allegedly committed these crimes, no compensation should be made. Characters The Aldmeri Dominion would in fact be foolish to invade. Only thing is the only "massacre" I can recall is when I killed everyone who was occupying the mine there. Oh, the possibilities! It is then a distinct possibility that even if the Stormcloaks had won the Civil War, the Empire would launch a dedicated counter-offensive in Skyrim with a dedicated and veteran legion - rather than what Tullius had which was essentially conscripts and sign-ups with an officer backbone - to prevent the Dominion from gaining a significant advantage over the Empire in a possible future second conflict. If Erandur is your follower he will also mention the forsworn attacks on Karthwasten. Es ist nicht erlaubt irgendwelche Dateien dieser Übersetzung für andere Projekte zu verwenden! Vice versa if Skyrim reinforces Hammerfell. They also defeated the Thalmor after the empire cut ties with them and Hammerfell beat them out of their lands. When the Dragonborn first arrives here, two groups are in a heated debate over the mine. 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